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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts kate valentine and Farrugia

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prepare to head her paradigms shifted in

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the truths questioned and now shattered

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reality well here we are again Farrugia

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hi it has it gone it's going great I was

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glad to see you over Pine Bush this past

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weekend yeah it was so nice of the

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bronxville Paranormal Society to give us

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a part of their table and we could sit

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there and be part of the Pine Bush UFO

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festival that was a lot of fun there

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were a lot of lovely people there and it

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was tasty food and a good time was good

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very good yeah a good time was had by

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all by the way today is May 31st 2016

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got a slave oh yes okay and today we

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have a really interesting and marvelous

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guests online here and especially for

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you and I and and even our wonderful

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engineer bill because we are all animal

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lovers true and Kate I think that you're

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a dog whisperer and I know that I'm a

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cat whisperer okay so today we want to

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welcome Rosalyn burn PhD she has a

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background in bioethics she is the

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author of four books one of them is a

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the biotechnological revolution why it's

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fascinating I i would really almost like

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to have our back yeah we what we must do

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yeah I'm ethicist bioethicists are about

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her as a horse whisperer one the first

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one is when the horses whisper and

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that is about equine healing work and

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interspecies communication and then

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with remarkable beings and about that i

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that's a great name for it what was a

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collector was the lab was a Elizabeth

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was yes a little horse that made a big

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movie and I really introduced Elizabeth

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Taylor too many Americans yeah but now

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the story's Robin birth to our Americans

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and and foreign listeners so rosslyn so

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pleased to have you on dr. Rosalind burn

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yeah thank you so much thank you so much

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for taking this time let's delight to be

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with you i appreciate to your reaching

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out what my first question would be like

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i've heard the sake of the listeners um

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how did you come about with the horse

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whispering the interspecies

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communication if you will well it wasn't

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my intention that's for sure mmm chili

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on a trail ride on a horse named Teton

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in Costa Rica and I was there the

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purpose of finishing that novel you made

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reference to and I took a break from the

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writing and took trail ride we crossed

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the river arenal on horseback I fell off

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remember the rushing water pulling open

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my head and I was fine not hurt at all

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and as we proceeded to continue the wolf

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never experienced communicating with any

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being human or otherwise before so it

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very natural it was sort of a wonderful

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experience we had a conversation all the

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way back to the bomb but what was it

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about I mean cuz I'm really curious of

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heard is I can't believe that happened

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no one's ever phone off of me before am

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I gonna dwell are you okay did you get

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hurt what happened and then and I

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realized he was upset uh-huh and that I

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could hear him it's it's sort of like a

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speaker inside of my ear was literal um

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communicating but without spoken words

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but using words and I said teton I'm

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fine stop worrying about me can't you

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tell there's nothing wrong it was I fell

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off it wasn't your fault I must have

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slipped and it went like that mm-hmm and

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trouble my job is to keep riders saved

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what's gonna happen now I'm gonna be in

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trouble and I said well of course not

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you're gonna be in trouble so it was all

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like that man we was back and I could

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see the bar and ahead there were maybe

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six of us in the ride and the owner of

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this eco village to the retreat was up

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front and her name is Debbie so at this

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point he says you can actually

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understand me can't you and I huh it

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me hmm and I asked him what do you what

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training oh so I got off of the horse

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gone because I didn't really know what

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to tell Debbie privately in the tack

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room she gave me a funny look when I

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dinner she came up to me in the dining

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room and whispered how do you know about

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that and I said about what she said how

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do you know about teton I don't

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understand how you could know the

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stableman and I the last week had been

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talking about sending him back for more

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training please explain that to me

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that's where it began wow that's

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interesting I was wondering to the

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trainer and so on if that was in Costa

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cognitive science I don't know who would

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really have the answer but I'm so fun

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brain itself mm-hmm forms meaning mm-hmm

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that meaning to another and then words

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meaning right I'm thinking them yeah

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intent to communicate I think so I was

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communicating with humans aliens and ETS

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that was in my mind and formed English

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words and other people have to had that

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happened in whatever language they spoke

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from from the et presence so since they

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communicate directly telepathically why

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not horses and dogs and cats and others

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of the mechanism the biological

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mechanism but I trust what I heard and

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many times over since that first

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struck by how much your experiences in

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ways and also entirely different by that

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very much the similar not the same but

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similar but then the way you reacted or

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interacted with those experiences were

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what totally different and so i was i

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was very fascinated by that and really

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enjoyed the book thoroughly so um are

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you going to continue and write another

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book of that nature well you know what's

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really funny this is this is interesting

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to me you are anticipating without

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realizing what you've been saying twice

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you you've said the book title as

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walking beauty and it's waking to beauty

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that I've just begun is Walking with

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Raven and I thought maybe you perhaps

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you've tuned into that somehow already

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down here waking to beauty no but you're

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talking twice and I have just titled

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book recently actually my husband picked

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the title waking and walking with him so

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isn't that interesting huh yes it is

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maybe that's a whole other conversation

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about time and weather would even exist

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different answer that's a very link th

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discussion as to whether time exists and

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what it means in all of that who's Raven

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is that another horse or is at the

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actual Raven this is a great story I was

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path and i have about 15 clients who

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occasionally bring me on to their horse

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farms to help them communicate with

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their horses and figure out what's going

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on and one of my new clients had adopted

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a horse from the virginia equine welfare

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society the uws and about six months

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mentioned a woman wrong

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sunburn who helped you with your horse

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come so my client Renee as a gift to

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them hired me took me there it's got an

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hour and 20 minutes ride from where I

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live in central Virginia and I went and

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situation a place called New Holland

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rest new holland which is where they

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they ship horses who are on their way to

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be sold for meat packing etc at anyway

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this off with this facility and were

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trying really hard to help her to be

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well and stabilized and then be adopted

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some of their other horses I thought

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others and I'm focusing on a horse named

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rain and I'm standing there looking at

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her and there's a group of people

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standing around and up behind me walks

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this horse whose name is Raven and it

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trying to talk to rain and she's

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actually talking to me but then I here

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Raven and I hear her right behind my

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right shoulder and she's saying I'm the

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horse that you need I'm the horse it's

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gonna help you deep in your work take me

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home with you ha and I finally stopped

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you I heard you but I need to focus on

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what I'm doing and I continued to talk

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to rain and then I left and got in the

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car with my client and Raven was in my

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heart she was just there and I couldn't

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stop thinking about her and so three

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said I've never owned a horse before I

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don't even consider myself a horse

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person I do this because it's a gift and

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I feel called to do it but I feel like

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Raven are supposed to be with me long

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story short Raven is my horse now

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wonderful wonderful person and the

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journey has begun it's already quite

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profound so I am

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working on a new manuscript it may take

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me a year or two but it is called

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walking with Raven oh wow because it's a

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little harder than adopting a dog or cat

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it's a lot harder than adopting a cat

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with faculty need about two to four

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acres pleasant barriers and oh yeah

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that's not an inexpensive hobby indeed

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it is not well and so things have worked

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out well with Raven and she is the

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subject a lot a large amount of the

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subject of your newest book so my newest

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book that just came out the subject is

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beauty she's a mayor who lives in Costa

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Rica yes Raven is happily boarded my

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husband and I have put up our house from

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for sale we're moving to a horse farm so

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they think with us so as I say I'm her

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person but she's settling in nicely and

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I will probably be engaging her to work

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with me um to to seminars and and to two

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readings with people facilitated by

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Raven that's that's my new life beauty I

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have known for six years she is a wise

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being she's a being that appeared to me

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in a waking dream state and asked me to

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continue to write and I went then to see

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her to find out what it was she thought

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I should be writing about that's the

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whole second half of the book waking to

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beauty yes so horses horses are always

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have I've always loved horses they've

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always seemed to be incredibly noble and

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yet I haven't ridden much since I was a

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teenager and in fact uh you know have a

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certain amount of well beyond respect a

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little bit of fear of getting on the

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back of horses but I do trust them on

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the other hand I think that I would

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probably only be hurt because of my own

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in abilities hmm well you're speaking to

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someone who's not a writer I I can ride

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I it's not something that I have longed

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do to do the one reason why that book is

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titled walking with beauty is it that's

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what we do I I walk next to her for

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exercise

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writing my gosh it's a whole world that

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I'm learning about and it runs the gamut

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from the racing industry to dressage to

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barrel racing and Rubio Raven used to be

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a barrel racer to trail riding horses my

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exposure now is broadening because my

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clients are coming from all those

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different areas I can say that when I've

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been on trail rides most of them not the

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place in Costa Rica but most of them the

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horses are so checked out there so

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sullen and withdrawn that I can't reach

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them I think that they're sort of just

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broken down yes they seem sad and when

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I've ridden when I have worked in New

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York State as an entertainer and have

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been given the privilege of being able

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to ride a horse the day before the day

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after my booking it always seemed sort

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of sad to me the horses seemed sad and

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very most of them very very nice but

346
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just as you say checked out perhaps but

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very sad you know weary and sad but I do

348
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i do love and respect horses and i think

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they have wonderful hearts well that's

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the thing about a horse they're their

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capacity to pump blood um is many many

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many times greater than ours in terms of

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the volume that's moved through their

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bodies a minute they are heart-centered

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creatures and although of course their

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other organs are engaged in their

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survival just like ours with some reason

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they are still very much centered in

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their hearts the healthy ones right the

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healthy ones the ones have been broken

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in brutal and you know abused I'm sorry

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no I think they are of all domesticated

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animals the most abused it's some of the

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purposes that they're used for it's just

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hideous and slaughter is probably number

366
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one and number two I I don't know the

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racing industry done properly I guess is

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ok but it there's so much shenanigans

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it's ridiculous I get doped up yes yes

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I'm sad what about what I'm learning

371
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I yeah me too it's true with a lot of

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our industries that are so intensely

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driven by the profit motive but I I have

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to believe in hope that individual

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owners love their horses my husband and

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I just watched Secretariat you know the

377
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Disney film yes and of course it's

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portrayed in a certain way right though

379
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it still made me cry because of the love

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that that horse was so devoted to to the

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people in its life it appeared to be and

382
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that's the thing that about these these

383
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creatures we we do abuse them and they

384
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continue to support and service despite

385
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yeah I ADIZ feel too I mean certainly

386
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you obviously have a connection to

387
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horses do you think that as Farrugia

388
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mentioned at the beginning certain

389
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people have an affinity towards certain

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species well yes my sister's a dog

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person and here's an example she served

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as a sheriff for the LA Sheriff's

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Department for until she retired

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recently and she was held in very high

395
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esteem and as a professional police

396
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woman she was only once taken off of her

397
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job and reprimanded and it was because

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she hesitated to shoot a dog that was

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lunging towards her aah and she could

400
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she was traumatized by because she

401
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couldn't she couldn't kill it even

402
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though it was positioned to attack and

403
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hurt her it was a dog on a site where

404
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they were people were smuggling some

405
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kind of horror drug trade I think so and

406
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anyway uh so I'm trying to tell the

407
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story because that's how much she loves

408
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dogs and she in her bones it's the dogs

409
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are her children I know a lot of people

410
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whose dogs are very much family members

411
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and beloved and they also were tuned to

412
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them there's a lots of reasons why that

413
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might be we could speculate on past life

414
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experiences and all kinds of influences

415
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I'm happy to pet a dog and say hello to

416
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a dog and but I want when it kiss me on

417
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:12,809
my lips my sister will that's that's how

418
00:20:23,780 --> 00:20:16,770
I know she's good well how are you as

419
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horses but so um one of the things that

420
00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:27,120
you are doing with the horses and so is

421
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Debbie I understand is working with

422
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abused kids for equine therapy sessions

423
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oh nice um so Debbie's in Costa Rica

424
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she's an expat who left the US and

425
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bought this land and set up this

426
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facility and then became trained as an

427
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opponent ruk tur which is

428
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equine-assisted forms of therapy one of

429
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the groups that she has volunteered with

430
00:21:03,530 --> 00:20:59,640
is a safe house in Costa Rica and this

431
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:03,540
particular safe house is to protect and

432
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house women young girls actually 12 13

433
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14 15 who have been subject to pretty

434
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dramatic sexual abuse some of them even

435
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placed on the street in sex trafficking

436
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,170
operations and so I have on three

437
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occasions been there during workshops

438
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,800
with these girls and been able to or

439
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:28,080
with their director and been able to

440
00:21:33,890 --> 00:21:31,650
tune in to the horses and their work

441
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,900
with these girls it one very interesting

442
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:36,480
story is one day the director was there

443
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:39,720
not the girl and she was talking with

444
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:43,410
Debbie about one particular girl and the

445
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:45,030
horse who'd been assigned to this girl

446
00:21:51,290 --> 00:21:47,970
was in the area and started getting very

447
00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:51,300
agitated and clearly needed to talk and

448
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:54,750
I tuned in and he wanted to talk about

449
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,100
the girl and I didn't and long story

450
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,440
short we actually called her she had

451
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:04,020
stopped talking and withdrawn and would

452
00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:06,030
not communicate with anybody at the

453
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:07,590
house and was sort of hiding and

454
00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:09,690
cowering and they didn't know how to

455
00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:11,190
help her and the horse was hearing this

456
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:13,920
whole conversation so I talked to the

457
00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:16,290
horse and I actually then asked them to

458
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,750
call the girl on the telephone ouch they

459
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,760
did and then they brought

460
00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:22,740
the phone towards me and next to the

461
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:24,660
horse and I explained to her that the

462
00:22:29,030 --> 00:22:26,250
horse was listening and what he was

463
00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:29,040
saying and then you could hear her begin

464
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:32,790
to sob and then I understand she began

465
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,910
to talk and so he was able to reach her

466
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:38,400
indirectly in that way but he sensed her

467
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:41,100
and he could pick up that she needed him

468
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:44,670
in being just hearing them discuss what

469
00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:46,710
was going on with her it was quite

470
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moving yeah really it's there are

471
00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:52,320
wonderful programs of that nature I

472
00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:54,750
don't know how many people have your

473
00:23:00,200 --> 00:22:56,820
ability to actually hear the horses

474
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,210
speak but I do know that a young girl of

475
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:02,940
my acquaintance who is about 22 now when

476
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she was 17 or 18 she spent the summer

477
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:11,520
walking with horses and putting children

478
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:14,190
on the horses like you know younger

479
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,380
teenagers I believe who had

480
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,480
developmental difficulties and they were

481
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:21,360
withdrawn and as they got up on the

482
00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:23,910
horses and were able to have this girl

483
00:23:30,050 --> 00:23:27,630
walk the horses and with you know with

484
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:30,060
that child on the horses back the

485
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,130
children improved greatly in their

486
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:37,740
socialization and became a lot more

487
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:43,170
pliable and workable I there are so many

488
00:23:47,150 --> 00:23:45,090
wonderful stories all over the world

489
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:47,160
these programs are proliferating and I'm

490
00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:50,880
so very glad that and such a wonderful

491
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:54,030
you so I hate even were use the word use

492
00:23:58,910 --> 00:23:55,860
but such a great purpose for the horse

493
00:24:03,160 --> 00:23:58,920
once is a fulfilled in this world yeah

494
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,170
yeah um they are so wanting to have a

495
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,480
something valuable and helpful to do

496
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:08,580
with their lives I mean they really do

497
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:12,360
like we do but people want to feel like

498
00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:14,370
we have a purpose in our lives and the

499
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:20,160
horses are the same and so I understand

500
00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:22,650
they're also working in with some people

501
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,540
who are incarcerated and working with

502
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:26,880
vets who are still dealing with some of

503
00:24:32,820 --> 00:24:29,760
the stress post-traumatic stress yeah

504
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:32,830
and so and even you know even

505
00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:36,130
the companionship of a horse who's

506
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:38,440
ridden by a police officer right that

507
00:24:43,289 --> 00:24:40,809
becomes a very supportive relationship

508
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:43,299
potentially for that officer yes yes

509
00:24:47,639 --> 00:24:45,190
indeed yeah there are all kinds of

510
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:47,649
wonderful ways that we can honor their

511
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:49,630
willingness to support us the way they

512
00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:53,350
do so beautifully and and and dogs as

513
00:25:00,500 --> 00:24:55,950
well like to feel as though they have a

514
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:00,510
job I I know that from different people

515
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,370
who are working with dogs including the

516
00:25:08,820 --> 00:25:06,159
late captain Haggerty he always felt as

517
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:08,830
though he was a dog famous dog trainer

518
00:25:13,529 --> 00:25:10,809
in the New York area and with theater

519
00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:13,539
and so forth and he felt dogs most of

520
00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:15,820
the dogs that he had always wanted to

521
00:25:20,909 --> 00:25:18,190
work wanted to have a job wanted to be

522
00:25:23,129 --> 00:25:20,919
told what to do particularly the German

523
00:25:25,049 --> 00:25:23,139
Shepherds which he worked with they were

524
00:25:27,149 --> 00:25:25,059
always guarding things and they wanted

525
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,159
to be told sit over there and if

526
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:29,679
somebody comes bark and then run down

527
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:32,889
the aisle or whatever get us so they

528
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:35,049
they really understood him and they

529
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,330
understood what he wanted them to do

530
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:40,000
when they did it um there are some

531
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:41,830
muches though in the dog world there are

532
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:43,809
muches in the dog let me tell you I've

533
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:48,490
got a few you boil them in any case are

534
00:25:52,529 --> 00:25:49,690
the one thing that I found very

535
00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:52,539
interesting about your communication

536
00:25:58,379 --> 00:25:56,169
with the horses as opposed to and I have

537
00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:58,389
done you know some professional work

538
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:01,210
with cats as a you know a cat

539
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:03,730
communicator with other people's cats

540
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:06,970
besides my own and I I get some very

541
00:26:13,889 --> 00:26:10,620
interesting feedback from them and

542
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:13,899
finding out about their life and and 11

543
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:16,630
cat in particular the family was going

544
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:19,750
to move to California and the cat told

545
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,350
me he in no way wanted to go please tell

546
00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:26,559
them I do not want to go and I told the

547
00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:29,350
family he did not want to go but they

548
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:31,539
were determined to move to California

549
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:34,870
I'm determined to take the cat well the

550
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:37,480
second day they were out there he got

551
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:39,970
out the door and he was immediately run

552
00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:42,130
over and killed oh great so that was

553
00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:44,740
that not a happy ending but that was not

554
00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:46,750
my point my point

555
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:51,880
my question to you has to do with in my

556
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:54,760
communication with cats and a few other

557
00:27:01,320 --> 00:26:58,000
animals they will tell me what they want

558
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,330
to eat or what's going wrong or things

559
00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:03,760
of that nature who they like best and

560
00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:07,660
things directly about them but with the

561
00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:11,560
horses you seem to get other stuff such

562
00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:15,670
as like you know more global concerns

563
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:19,660
which of thus far I have not received

564
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:23,980
that form of communication from anything

565
00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:31,030
but the trees mmm yes so I would um want

566
00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:33,280
to explain that beauty is an unusual

567
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:37,420
horse in that way and so most of the

568
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:39,720
horses I've communicated with are

569
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:44,670
talking about ailments emotional issues

570
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:47,770
people that are long no longer in their

571
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:49,330
lives or horses they've been separated

572
00:27:54,390 --> 00:27:52,020
from very practical rather mundane

573
00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:54,400
things that are helpful for their own

574
00:28:02,040 --> 00:27:57,550
lives that's ninety-five percent of it

575
00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:02,050
ring it's a rare horse beauty and then a

576
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:04,390
horse named police here in Virginia and

577
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:06,610
then 10 the stallion who had to chime in

578
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:11,290
when you were beauty talking our arm are

579
00:28:18,150 --> 00:28:14,680
they are working with people who come

580
00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:18,160
for therapeutic support or who don't

581
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:20,140
realize that they come for that in their

582
00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:22,450
lives change as a result of being having

583
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:24,550
encounters with these voices in the

584
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:28,000
opponent program so beauty is seeing

585
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:31,450
people on a very different level she's

586
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:33,370
engaging people in her daily work

587
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:35,470
supporting children with various

588
00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:38,050
disorders and ailments and and and and

589
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:41,260
struggles supporting people who are just

590
00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:43,030
stressed out emotionally broken and

591
00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:44,920
she's taking it in and observing and

592
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,020
thinking about it and that's what's so

593
00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:50,080
extraordinary yes of us assume that

594
00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:51,880
because they're animals they don't have

595
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:53,740
this capacity that all they're going to

596
00:28:58,140 --> 00:28:55,750
be concerned about are their basic

597
00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:58,150
fundamental needs and desires right

598
00:29:01,500 --> 00:28:58,840
eating

599
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:01,510
getting outside and sweeping etc and

600
00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:06,280
that's why I feel like I really do need

601
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:08,680
to talk about this because what I've

602
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:11,080
learned is that at least in the case of

603
00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:13,450
these animals and I think it's probably

604
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:15,790
true with others perhaps elephants and

605
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,260
maybe dolphins some of them are

606
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:22,200
processing and thinking and considering

607
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:25,270
larger issues than themselves and beauty

608
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:28,390
is absolutely concerned about humanity's

609
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:31,600
survival hmmm well just like people I

610
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,100
mean there are some people that are just

611
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:34,960
very mundane and people who really are

612
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:37,210
deep thinkers and try to help the rest

613
00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:40,420
of us like my students range that way

614
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:43,300
yeah you know what interest me too is

615
00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:45,550
that you obviously communicate with

616
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:48,760
horses and your sister with dogs um some

617
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,910
of the native peoples would you fill me

618
00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:54,070
in on this term Farrugia adopt certain

619
00:30:00,380 --> 00:29:57,220
animals is like which is how to math

620
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:00,390
yeah a totem animal thank you uh I

621
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:02,710
wonder if that hasn't been true

622
00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:04,600
throughout history that some people

623
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:07,900
really did have the ability to not adopt

624
00:30:12,930 --> 00:30:10,630
but really communicate become one with

625
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:12,940
another animal with another species that

626
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:16,110
certainly has been a very prominent in

627
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:20,230
the Native American yo cultures you know

628
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:22,270
various cultures whether it be north or

629
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:25,390
south american cultures i mean the

630
00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:27,310
people down in south america have a

631
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:31,060
close relationship with the Condor and

632
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:32,740
even on the cave drawings they didn't

633
00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:34,540
draw each other they drew animals that's

634
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,390
right and uh other any other people in

635
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:39,360
your family that also have this ability

636
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:42,850
not that I'm familiar with and I don't

637
00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:45,040
know that my sister would claim to be a

638
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:47,680
dog communicator but she certainly is so

639
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:50,470
very connected to them yeah is deeply

640
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:53,890
right like Mia she does she does on some

641
00:31:00,480 --> 00:30:56,410
level I'm sure she does probably so she

642
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:00,490
would some I once was on it on a walk in

643
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:04,500
the country of Belize and the tour guide

644
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,690
clearly he grew up he said he grew up as

645
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:09,760
a boy playing in the jungle by himself

646
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,580
and he

647
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:15,519
I was tuned into all of it yeah all of

648
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:21,039
it the birds the trees the whole life

649
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:23,950
force of that forest was he was a tomb

650
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:27,190
too and i think i want to believe that

651
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:32,169
it has been innate in human beings since

652
00:31:40,019 --> 00:31:35,409
our you know early beginnings but that

653
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:40,029
over time as we have developed as more

654
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:42,460
Agraria and technological we've

655
00:31:46,769 --> 00:31:44,380
developed other parts of our brain and

656
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:46,779
moved away from those sensing capacities

657
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:49,630
that that would be my hunch I think

658
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:51,460
you're right I don't agree just about

659
00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:54,190
Native Americans or the people living in

660
00:31:59,279 --> 00:31:56,620
in the Amazon it's actually about the

661
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:59,289
human being and how we've developed our

662
00:32:04,350 --> 00:32:01,240
cultures in our societies and our

663
00:32:06,810 --> 00:32:04,360
tendencies and that's my guest right

664
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:06,820
because you had the Druids you know

665
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:09,580
right over they were in Ireland Scotland

666
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:11,980
area who were very connected to the

667
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:15,250
earth force and the ended and the Divine

668
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:18,580
Mother practices and I think that it's

669
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:21,460
just more about modernization of society

670
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,510
the rapid movement of information are

671
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:27,760
high dependence on technologies that

672
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:30,450
have shifted our perceptions and our

673
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:33,870
capacities for such communication I

674
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:36,100
agree with you a hundred percent well I

675
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:40,360
think that you are right especially in

676
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:42,010
some of the things that you have written

677
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:45,250
about basically the earth being alive

678
00:32:52,259 --> 00:32:49,330
and we're all part of it and as we move

679
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:52,269
away from the awareness of the living

680
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:56,830
Earth you know we get closer to the to

681
00:33:03,419 --> 00:33:00,220
our own annihilation and unfortunately

682
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,429
as we get closer to it I think that as

683
00:33:07,289 --> 00:33:05,830
helpful as the horses and the Dolphins

684
00:33:10,409 --> 00:33:07,299
maybe there's a certain amount of

685
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:10,419
self-interest there because basically

686
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:13,210
all mammals may go the way of the dodo

687
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:16,919
bird if we do know why do you say that

688
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:19,570
well it probably what are you thinking

689
00:33:23,639 --> 00:33:21,460
nuclear Wars no I mean does nuclear

690
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:23,649
meltdown is one thing i don't i'm not or

691
00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:26,680
just ruining me the ecology

692
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:29,080
of which could be wrong you seeing that

693
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:31,870
already with a lot of species yes but

694
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:34,780
some of it can be ruined with the

695
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:37,480
nuclear materials as we seen in

696
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:40,660
Fukushima and places melting down eat

697
00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:43,510
right here in the United States not so

698
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:45,940
far away from where we are what is it

699
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:48,850
over here the Oh Indian Point indian

700
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:51,820
point there so they do this into is all

701
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:53,530
mammals have made a carbon hydrogen

702
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,990
oxygen some of their little atoms and

703
00:34:01,140 --> 00:33:58,960
the more that once pc sucks it all up

704
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:01,150
it's less for the others so that's true

705
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:03,190
and it's just matter on the elephants

706
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:05,890
right now the said I'd I can't go there

707
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:08,110
is no it's just not on to sad you know

708
00:34:12,630 --> 00:34:10,090
you mentioned before like communicating

709
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:12,640
with animals I mean the people that work

710
00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:14,980
with elephants really know they

711
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:16,870
absolutely communicate with some

712
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:20,050
constant absolutely absent and oh yeah I

713
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:22,690
there's a woman whose name is jami

714
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:26,290
sieber and she played music for my

715
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:29,610
wedding two years ago and Jamie actually

716
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:32,380
has a recording that she's made with

717
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,560
elephants accompanying her she's a she's

718
00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:39,040
a cellist and oh it's haunting they pick

719
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:41,350
up these bamboo sticks and bells and

720
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:44,260
play while she's playing and Wow touches

721
00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:46,180
my heart so deeply because the animals

722
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:48,460
are truly connecting with her through

723
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:51,490
the music and I think that you're right

724
00:34:57,630 --> 00:34:54,310
that mammals are as much threatened as

725
00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:57,640
Oh other mammals as we are but I'll tell

726
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:00,910
you what we'll survive no matter what we

727
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:04,960
do would be the plants they are yep

728
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,470
they're the ones that have adapted so so

729
00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:10,960
so much sophistication through these

730
00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:12,820
billions of years and they will they

731
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:16,860
will be fine had you read anything about

732
00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:20,470
how squids are getting larger and larger

733
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:25,120
and how how intelligent squids are the

734
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:28,390
cephalopods and how a psychic they are

735
00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:31,750
and how they're they don't have a

736
00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:34,870
central brain but of their whole body is

737
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:36,940
like a nervous system with a

738
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:39,580
consciousness and how they're getting

739
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,630
much just much

740
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:42,190
much bigger and bigger in our oceans

741
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:46,180
have you card there is their size it's

742
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:48,730
the growth in their size relative to the

743
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,290
growth in their intelligence is that

744
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:52,480
what's being suggested or is it III

745
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:54,760
don't know that but there are there are

746
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:00,040
two things that uh cephalopods of octopi

747
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:04,480
other smart and devils and squids have

748
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:06,970
been seen to be very psychic and

749
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:12,220
extremely smart and this in spite of the

750
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,370
fact that they do not have a brain in

751
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:17,920
the sense that mammals have brains

752
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:20,590
inside their heads their brain or

753
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:22,900
nervous system is throughout their body

754
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:25,510
now concurrent to that though I don't

755
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:30,210
know if it's entirely related

756
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:33,730
oceanographers and biologists of the

757
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,150
ocean have discovered that these squids

758
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:39,720
appear to be getting larger and larger

759
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:43,210
and maybe taking over the oceans and I

760
00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:45,670
say they hope they do a better job of it

761
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:48,040
than the humans have I'd be a little

762
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:49,930
concerned about whether there that's

763
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:52,120
going to cause an imbalance in the other

764
00:36:58,860 --> 00:36:55,060
ocean life I probably like to read up on

765
00:37:01,440 --> 00:36:58,870
that and see what they're thinking you

766
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:01,450
know any one species that dominates can

767
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:04,390
throw everything off kilter well sort of

768
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:06,430
like humans you mean yeah yeah like you

769
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:08,890
oh yeah that's a great example isn't it

770
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:12,040
Oh perfect nine billion and growing it

771
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:13,720
always gets me in this area where they

772
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,640
say we have to control the keys we have

773
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,180
to control the deer population well yeah

774
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:20,560
because well why would we have to do

775
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,180
that well because they kill off their

776
00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:24,000
surroundings if there's too many of them

777
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:26,980
okay so like any species it kills off

778
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:28,300
their surroundings because there's too

779
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:30,190
many of them should have population

780
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:32,770
control right well well what about

781
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:35,830
people oh no no got to be voluntary know

782
00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:39,430
it happen it does it well unfortunately

783
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:41,860
mother nature will take care of it if we

784
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:43,990
had any heard that gets to be too big

785
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,690
all mom nature comes in and calls it and

786
00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:49,210
you see now you see the rise of all

787
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:52,840
these various viruses Zika virus AIDS TB

788
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:53,970
Zaun their eyes

789
00:38:00,020 --> 00:37:56,970
but measles mumps all these things that

790
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:00,030
in the 50s look what happened came out

791
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,060
with this new as one md got on about

792
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,060
other is finally an antibiotic or rather

793
00:38:10,820 --> 00:38:08,160
bacteria that does it respond to any

794
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:10,830
antibiotic what's of our and it's pretty

795
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:13,859
prevalent in the environment oh boy Oh

796
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:17,070
way better than that you know well we've

797
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:19,349
gone a little bit far afield here oh I'm

798
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:22,680
sorry no no no no that's okay okay no no

799
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:25,560
no guilty dr. Byrne is also bioethicists

800
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,510
oh that's right I think this is of a

801
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:30,000
very real concern for yes yes so we have

802
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:33,330
the ethics of of cloning humans or

803
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:35,340
cloning dogs as people have done

804
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:37,770
apparently already yes and they are able

805
00:38:44,359 --> 00:38:39,930
to get their clone doggies from China or

806
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,369
something so oh well so you haven't gone

807
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,320
that far afield actually because you're

808
00:38:53,170 --> 00:38:49,920
talking about mother nature I think you

809
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:53,180
used the term sort of responding to our

810
00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:55,830
population overgrowth this is what

811
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,230
beauty was talking about really yeah

812
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,420
really looks after what she was talking

813
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,599
about she said that she said that the

814
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:06,480
earth is in a process of rejecting the

815
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:09,270
human species because it's thrown off

816
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:11,250
the homeostasis the balance that are

817
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,210
visible to maintain and that we are

818
00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:16,859
running out of time although it she said

819
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:18,270
it's not too late because we are a

820
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:21,480
beloved species it's in the process of

821
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,290
bringing it back into balance so we have

822
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,359
some choices to make but we have to make

823
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:30,660
them soon yes what do you think the odds

824
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:33,690
of that happening are of our making

825
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:35,310
healthy choices to bring him back into

826
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:39,240
balance I think it would take some kind

827
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:43,400
of cataclysmic event to wake us up yeah

828
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:45,750
or the ice is messy we're very

829
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,790
self-absorbed and we are really

830
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:49,730
comfortable with the way we're living

831
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:53,130
materialistic I beyond the materialism I

832
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:56,670
think that as long as people can't be

833
00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:00,119
humane to one another and they can't be

834
00:40:08,819 --> 00:40:04,180
humane to men can't be humane to women

835
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:08,829
and or to each other or each other or to

836
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:12,280
their companion animals I mean it's just

837
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,880
what can be expected I'm not sure my

838
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:18,640
worry is about the the methane release

839
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:22,510
in which case all species go down that

840
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:25,480
that's all due to the cows you know that

841
00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:29,050
no flatula oh yeah oh hell yeah yeah you

842
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:31,540
know how much methane a cow produces I

843
00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:32,920
thought it was and then you got

844
00:40:38,099 --> 00:40:35,380
mcdonalds pushing out cos it not wow

845
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:38,109
that too but melting the mounting calls

846
00:40:43,799 --> 00:40:40,660
no McDonald's has what gazillion burgers

847
00:40:46,349 --> 00:40:43,809
being serviced I mean how many cows bit

848
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:46,359
the dust on that one and they all have

849
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:48,550
been eating crane and they've all been

850
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:51,190
producing methane as a result of it they

851
00:40:54,089 --> 00:40:52,569
should be eating ground don't light a

852
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:54,099
match in a cowboy and let me tell you

853
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:56,740
I'm not going to I'm not Manning no I'm

854
00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:59,410
not joking don't but you know I'm sorry

855
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:01,720
that really is a field but uh it's yet

856
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:03,640
you know it's a shame but I think there

857
00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:06,099
may be a glimmer of hope for example we

858
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:08,020
were talking before the show about that

859
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:10,150
horrible incident with the gorilla in

860
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:12,730
the Cincinnati Zoo right and people are

861
00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:15,430
outraged that the gorilla was killed to

862
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:19,869
save a child or potentially save a child

863
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,700
well the gorilla certainly wasn't

864
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,579
threatening it would do I think

865
00:41:27,539 --> 00:41:25,839
intentionally the gorilla would not have

866
00:41:29,819 --> 00:41:27,549
harm the child but just that they're so

867
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:29,829
very strong yeah might have harmed it

868
00:41:37,819 --> 00:41:34,410
unintentionally yes so where does the

869
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:37,829
bioethics fall in that category um

870
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:41,380
Rosalyn well it's just a tragedy isn't

871
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:50,490
so with bioethics there are choices that

872
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:54,730
we have to make to do the right thing

873
00:42:00,210 --> 00:41:57,130
and we have to sort out what that means

874
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:00,220
and one way of thinking through that is

875
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:02,349
what's the greatest good for the many I

876
00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:04,150
mean that's one way of thinking about it

877
00:42:08,609 --> 00:42:06,700
and then there are some absolutes like

878
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,619
we don't kill for example would be an

879
00:42:13,049 --> 00:42:11,200
absolute I think this is a tragic

880
00:42:16,529 --> 00:42:13,059
situation because a decision had to be

881
00:42:20,759 --> 00:42:16,539
made very quickly yes and we

882
00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:20,769
and two we tend to want to protect human

883
00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:23,289
life over animal life if we have to make

884
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:26,679
a choice that's that's always yes so the

885
00:42:33,029 --> 00:42:29,410
question is you know did they use their

886
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:33,039
best judgment to protect that child and

887
00:42:37,409 --> 00:42:35,169
without having been there and I'm not

888
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:37,419
going to rely on the popular press it's

889
00:42:42,509 --> 00:42:41,140
hard to know yes um whether they did the

890
00:42:44,849 --> 00:42:42,519
best that they knew how to do but I

891
00:42:47,069 --> 00:42:44,859
always like to presume that for people

892
00:42:49,919 --> 00:42:47,079
and just have to call this a tragedy

893
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:49,929
that yes yes well the zoo people

894
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:52,150
themselves were hardly happy about it

895
00:42:56,489 --> 00:42:54,249
they were very upset themselves are they

896
00:42:59,549 --> 00:42:56,499
felt it a tranquilizer would have taken

897
00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:59,559
too long to have you know the child

898
00:43:03,779 --> 00:43:01,390
would have still been endangered and and

899
00:43:06,029 --> 00:43:03,789
sometimes tranquilizers have a

900
00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:06,039
paradoxical effect and it could have

901
00:43:12,479 --> 00:43:09,969
enraged the gorilla and then he would

902
00:43:14,279 --> 00:43:12,489
have done harm so I think they to save

903
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:14,289
the child they really had no choice but

904
00:43:18,449 --> 00:43:16,089
to kill the gorilla it's it's just a

905
00:43:20,219 --> 00:43:18,459
shame that the parents worried but I

906
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:20,229
mean that's you know how many gorillas

907
00:43:25,499 --> 00:43:22,089
still exists though in fact of these

908
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:25,509
bills or bad that's it is very many of

909
00:43:29,669 --> 00:43:27,089
them left now i'm not saying to

910
00:43:32,969 --> 00:43:29,679
sacrifice start sacrificing children by

911
00:43:35,909 --> 00:43:32,979
any means but there is that thought it's

912
00:43:39,499 --> 00:43:35,919
sort of like these are an endangered

913
00:43:44,729 --> 00:43:39,509
species and he was such a marvelous

914
00:43:47,279 --> 00:43:44,739
example of gorillas pulchritude yeah

915
00:43:49,649 --> 00:43:47,289
well you know it I put it I put the

916
00:43:51,329 --> 00:43:49,659
blame at the feet of the mother I mean

917
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,339
you know if you take a three-year-old

918
00:43:57,479 --> 00:43:54,400
child to a gorilla enclosure I would

919
00:43:59,519 --> 00:43:57,489
assume you would watch the child you

920
00:44:02,880 --> 00:43:59,529
think yeah they're suing the zoo of

921
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:02,890
course oh well but anyway so there's so

922
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:05,619
much for bioethics in that so tell us a

923
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:09,599
little bit more about Raven and your

924
00:44:16,919 --> 00:44:14,650
communications with Raven well um we're

925
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:16,929
just it's interesting because I am

926
00:44:23,699 --> 00:44:20,380
responsible for her as her steward and I

927
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:23,709
have not engaged her in the same way I

928
00:44:28,349 --> 00:44:26,169
have forces of my clients where I can

929
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,359
walk in the door go into a meditative

930
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:30,400
state listen to them

931
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:33,369
wish them well and go home with Raven I

932
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,430
am I am I am learning to be brave she's

933
00:44:45,269 --> 00:44:42,160
a big animal to go out into the field

934
00:44:49,529 --> 00:44:45,279
and be with her and take care of her and

935
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:49,539
I am having to Center in and check in

936
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:53,410
and be mindful so that I can listen to

937
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:55,720
her but it's it's a process it's a it's

938
00:45:00,480 --> 00:44:58,210
a process because I'm also thinking is

939
00:45:01,859 --> 00:45:00,490
she going to step on me and my safe am i

940
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:01,869
doing the right thing did they put the

941
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:04,329
bridle on wrong you know did I hurt her

942
00:45:09,029 --> 00:45:07,390
so I'm not there yet at the level of

943
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,039
communication that we had when we first

944
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:11,680
met because I'm carrying this sense of

945
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:13,210
responsibility and a little bit of

946
00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:15,849
anxiety in being so new to the whole

947
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:18,520
thing so you were not raised with horses

948
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:21,460
and no I went to summer camp once when I

949
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:25,660
was a few weeks only the horses that

950
00:45:33,569 --> 00:45:30,119
were downtown Philly right I understand

951
00:45:36,329 --> 00:45:33,579
Khmer and your girl they are big animals

952
00:45:37,859 --> 00:45:36,339
yes they really are and yeah and they

953
00:45:40,769 --> 00:45:37,869
can't hurt you without meaning to

954
00:45:42,539 --> 00:45:40,779
certainly if and those are and I and I

955
00:45:44,609 --> 00:45:42,549
was still so taken with them I even

956
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:44,619
remember the child staring in the

957
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:46,890
stables at fairmont park at these

958
00:45:53,069 --> 00:45:50,170
magnificent animals and holly so drawn

959
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:53,079
to them I went up to a horse and at you

960
00:45:57,059 --> 00:45:54,460
know central park south where they line

961
00:45:58,620 --> 00:45:57,069
up the horses yes no research and one

962
00:46:00,120 --> 00:45:58,630
was standing on the corner there of

963
00:46:02,339 --> 00:46:00,130
central park south and fifth I think

964
00:46:04,740 --> 00:46:02,349
where it comes in with the helmsley is I

965
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:04,750
asked the caregiver if I could talk to

966
00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:07,210
his horse it haha my caregiver was

967
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,980
checked out to right it means like I

968
00:46:11,549 --> 00:46:10,480
just want to get people riding and I

969
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:11,559
went up and of course who was behind

970
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:13,720
blinders I put blinders on their eyes

971
00:46:18,809 --> 00:46:16,270
yes they do horrid because of course a

972
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:18,819
horse is only comfortable knowing it's

973
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,369
safe it was vision and a horse can see

974
00:46:27,029 --> 00:46:24,160
almost back to its tail but with

975
00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:27,039
blinders it shuts down much of its

976
00:46:32,279 --> 00:46:30,339
sentencing capacity anyway I I felt

977
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:32,289
nothing I found nothing I couldn't

978
00:46:36,359 --> 00:46:33,910
connect it's like the horse wasn't there

979
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:36,369
he just said they're not just broken

980
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:39,640
Raven on the other hand is full of life

981
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,970
and we went for a walk the other day

982
00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:45,240
I did not realize that there were three

983
00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:48,340
geldings in a pasture up the end of the

984
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:50,350
trail and they got one look at her and

985
00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:52,420
they're huge they're just huge mm-hmm

986
00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:54,220
they were actually sent down from New

987
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:55,780
York that the border calls on the New

988
00:47:02,640 --> 00:46:59,920
Yorkers it's 30 I think they saw her

989
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:02,650
they came running galloping across the

990
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:06,570
pirate pastor in unison and she bolted

991
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:10,390
Dalton I'm so scary I'm so I'm but I was

992
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,850
hoping I had her on the lead chain and i

993
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:15,040
luckily had never wrap it around your

994
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,090
hand oh okay and so I'm learning step by

995
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:21,960
step what to do and how to take care

996
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:24,910
which is making it so I'm not yet at a

997
00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:27,010
point where I have stopped to just

998
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:30,760
listen really truly listen um she's

999
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:33,310
teaching me a lot right now as best as

1000
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:35,590
she can so what happened was just free

1001
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:37,690
geldings well they were behind a fence

1002
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:41,410
they did she oh oh oh oh stop it the

1003
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:44,170
fence Oh night and she got very upset

1004
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:46,810
and I said we're gonna keep walking and

1005
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:51,940
she's like the hell we are I've never

1006
00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:53,530
seen I've never seen a ride before I was

1007
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:56,080
beautiful to watch her run and she ran

1008
00:47:59,790 --> 00:47:57,970
all the way back to her pastor and stood

1009
00:48:02,550 --> 00:47:59,800
there calmly waiting for me to join her

1010
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:02,560
Wow so we'll see it's a journey it's a

1011
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:04,870
mystery i do not know what to expect I

1012
00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:06,730
still don't know why exactly I'm

1013
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,440
supposed to have her in my life I am

1014
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:10,720
trusting this and making a huge

1015
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:13,210
commitment to move to a farm to be able

1016
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:15,430
to have her there oh you'll like the

1017
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:17,740
farm anyway I think it'll be great to

1018
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:19,240
wake up and make some tea in the morning

1019
00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:20,950
and go out and sit with her in the past

1020
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:22,900
so that's my fantasy but then I have to

1021
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:25,930
you know muck up the poop and all that

1022
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:27,580
other stuff but it'll be good for me

1023
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:30,910
right yeah morning so yeah reconnect

1024
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:34,660
with yours good earth network it's okay

1025
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:37,750
I think it's time our rosalyn if you

1026
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:41,110
don't mind to mention your books again

1027
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:43,420
and your projects because we are we are

1028
00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:46,060
winding down to nearly a close here oh

1029
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:49,240
that's too bad i could talk a lot look

1030
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,410
but yeah but oh yeah please tell us all

1031
00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:56,079
about your books and the the horse book

1032
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:57,849
is the subject of our conversation today

1033
00:49:02,339 --> 00:48:59,950
so I'll focus on those when the horses

1034
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:02,349
whisper I wrote four years ago after

1035
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,569
meeting Teton falling in the river and

1036
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:06,670
other horses that live in costa rica and

1037
00:49:12,479 --> 00:49:09,880
work with these groups and so that's

1038
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,489
been out and getting great responses

1039
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,319
from people who have read it and then

1040
00:49:20,219 --> 00:49:17,680
waking to beauty came because beauty

1041
00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:20,229
came to me in a vision and asked me to

1042
00:49:25,049 --> 00:49:23,309
keep writing and so that book is more

1043
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:25,059
autobiographical than the first one

1044
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:27,430
because I was trying to sort of explain

1045
00:49:33,209 --> 00:49:31,450
to readers how it is that I'm in my life

1046
00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:33,219
come to a point where I can hear these

1047
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:35,380
animals so it's trying to trace it back

1048
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:37,450
to my early days when I was you know

1049
00:49:42,029 --> 00:49:39,910
less than two and talking to ghosts and

1050
00:49:44,459 --> 00:49:42,039
that kind of thing to suggest that maybe

1051
00:49:47,249 --> 00:49:44,469
there was something inside of me that

1052
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:47,259
was ready to respond to these horses

1053
00:49:50,849 --> 00:49:49,390
when they began to talk and that just

1054
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:50,859
came out two weeks ago we're having a

1055
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,140
great book release party with some

1056
00:49:57,479 --> 00:49:55,839
bluegrass and folk singers and readings

1057
00:49:59,789 --> 00:49:57,489
down here in central Virginia which

1058
00:50:01,920 --> 00:49:59,799
should be a lot of fun that the next

1059
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:01,930
year I'll come back to the equine Film

1060
00:50:05,759 --> 00:50:03,910
Festival in New York and go other parts

1061
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,769
of the country to talk about this work

1062
00:50:12,269 --> 00:50:08,079
in the book I'm probably going to start

1063
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:12,279
a not-for-profit company for these

1064
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:14,729
writings to be shared with others and

1065
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:17,380
find ways to get this message out across

1066
00:50:22,699 --> 00:50:19,630
the world that in fact these animals are

1067
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,709
sentient aware conscience conscious and

1068
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:26,079
very much devoted to supporting the

1069
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:29,249
continued driving of human life on earth

1070
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:32,170
so I'm feeling called to do this I'm

1071
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:35,140
excited I'm continuing to be a professor

1072
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:38,170
but this work is very much at the

1073
00:50:42,689 --> 00:50:40,660
forefront of my time and efforts these

1074
00:50:46,109 --> 00:50:42,699
days because it's very very deep hard

1075
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:46,119
work well it's wonderful wonderful art

1076
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:49,209
would if some of our listeners were

1077
00:50:56,009 --> 00:50:51,880
interested in your services or can they

1078
00:50:58,319 --> 00:50:56,019
contact you for that do you do you do do

1079
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,329
that for example for horses in i guess

1080
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:01,359
the northeast area I probably will start

1081
00:51:05,549 --> 00:51:03,640
to stretch out will see heaven right now

1082
00:51:08,279 --> 00:51:05,559
I'm mostly in Virginia but what I will

1083
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:08,289
be doing I think with Raven and I'll

1084
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,790
adopt another horse too

1085
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:12,400
help is offering seminars and workshops

1086
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:14,410
to help people even people without

1087
00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:17,790
horses as horses can help us with our

1088
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,380
intuition and our creativity and our

1089
00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:22,000
inner attunement awareness of our own

1090
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:25,360
body as a sensing intelligent being that

1091
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:30,040
we can tap into to learn from and so I'm

1092
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:32,140
working on developing these seminars

1093
00:51:36,990 --> 00:51:35,170
I'll put together something probably by

1094
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,000
the end of the summer or fall when the

1095
00:51:42,810 --> 00:51:39,520
horses whisper calm is one website that

1096
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:42,820
I'm working with Rozlyn burn calm is

1097
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:45,430
another and how do you spell your last

1098
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:51,340
name ber and yeah uh-huh roselyn ro sa

1099
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:55,630
ly n burn ber any I have a Facebook page

1100
00:52:01,560 --> 00:51:57,570
where i post all kinds of things

1101
00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:01,570
interviews podcasts and short videos of

1102
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:04,600
my work and so there are those are the

1103
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:06,310
ways people can get in touch with me and

1104
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:08,380
I always write back sometimes it takes a

1105
00:52:13,290 --> 00:52:11,410
little time and I would love to hear

1106
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:13,300
from people their responses their own

1107
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:15,400
experiences with communicating with

1108
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:18,100
animals or attuning to the earth and

1109
00:52:22,650 --> 00:52:20,130
themselves I think a lot of us are are

1110
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:22,660
tuning now together and we're all coming

1111
00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:24,250
into a new consciousness it's a

1112
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:28,120
wonderful time to be alive and I'm

1113
00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:29,410
really grateful that you all are

1114
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:31,660
reaching out to talk with me well we're

1115
00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:33,730
very very happy to have you want Stefan

1116
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:35,560
and we would hope to have you on again

1117
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:39,790
and so we're gonna wish you a good a

1118
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:43,140
good party coming up with your book and

1119
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:46,330
tell all my charlottesville friends

1120
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,140
hello and I will be speaking with you I

1121
00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:52,720
am sure in the future as will Kate so

1122
00:52:58,020 --> 00:52:56,020
definitely by now Rosalyn from shattered

1123
00:53:00,720 --> 00:52:58,030
reality we're just gonna we're gonna

1124
00:53:02,340 --> 00:53:00,730
wrap it up now okay and thank you for

1125
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:02,350
all your work too yeah really apprec

1126
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:04,510
appreciate it it's a fellow member of

1127
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:09,970
the u.s. in any case we're going to just

1128
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:12,490
wrap it up okay something strange to

1129
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:15,160
happen to me today oh I didn't know yeah

1130
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:17,230
something sort of oh if we think about

1131
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:21,070
the pixies taking things and uh somehow

1132
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:23,170
the oh there's one of my house

1133
00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:25,930
borrowers and so forth I had a needle in

1134
00:53:29,819 --> 00:53:28,030
a thread uh-huh the needle wasn't a

1135
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:29,829
small Neil it was a very very large

1136
00:53:34,799 --> 00:53:32,770
needle like about two and a half inches

1137
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:34,809
long like a darning needle with a piece

1138
00:53:40,859 --> 00:53:37,420
of thread on it I had to move it from

1139
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:40,869
one floor to another and I put it right

1140
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:44,410
on the top of the banister which is got

1141
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:47,410
a flat top about four and a half inches

1142
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:49,000
by four and a half inches something

1143
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:52,089
maybe 5 by 5 i'm not sure and i put it

1144
00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:56,470
down there and then i went to go up the

1145
00:54:01,230 --> 00:53:59,020
stairs about 20 minutes later and i

1146
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:01,240
looked all over the top now we're

1147
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:05,440
talking about a minuscule area you know

1148
00:54:11,549 --> 00:54:08,410
five by five at most with this needle

1149
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:11,559
and thread on it not there felt all

1150
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:13,960
around looked all around the side of the

1151
00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:15,609
stair and the banister and everything

1152
00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:18,309
looked on the top again felt around it

1153
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,670
it was not there I come back an hour

1154
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:24,880
later to do something else it's they're

1155
00:54:31,319 --> 00:54:28,630
bigger than life I mean no way to avoid

1156
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:31,329
it so those little borrowers those

1157
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:33,160
little Pixies are at work in that

1158
00:54:38,339 --> 00:54:36,490
building is all i can tell you ok ok so

1159
00:54:41,339 --> 00:54:38,349
what do we have next coming up on

1160
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:41,349
shattered reality i'm not sure you're

1161
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:43,480
pretty much the program or you do a

1162
00:54:48,809 --> 00:54:45,190
great job at dad well thank you so

1163
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:48,819
negligent and and thank you mr. bill for

1164
00:54:54,299 --> 00:54:51,430
up doing a great job with the with the

1165
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:54,309
audio and he talks to his dogs too he

1166
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:55,960
talks to his dog yeah yeah mr. bill

1167
00:55:01,049 --> 00:54:58,960
talks to his dogs ok that's ok i talk to

1168
00:55:03,089 --> 00:55:01,059
mine i talked to all the guys don't do

1169
00:55:06,089 --> 00:55:03,099
me talk to my cat anymore cuz i'm ticked

1170
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:06,099
off it ok i talked to every cat i meet

1171
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:07,990
when i was down in chincoteague island

1172
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,270
where all the pony ponies go oh nice her

1173
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:12,670
i wanted to see the ponies and i saw a

1174
00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:15,130
couple of ponies yeah they stay stopped

1175
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:17,500
a lot of that stuff huh and but what I

1176
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:20,319
did I out in the parking lot all the

1177
00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:22,510
cats came right up to me Adam out of

1178
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:24,760
nowhere they all they all came up they

1179
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,250
found me so that was quite interested

1180
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,680
interest they came they came from maybe

1181
00:55:33,210 --> 00:55:31,599
they made the cat swim you know catch

1182
00:55:35,609 --> 00:55:33,220
don't like well this was the parking lot

1183
00:55:36,570 --> 00:55:35,619
at the bed and breakfast so I don't know

1184
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:36,580
they were quite not

1185
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:41,290
there but yeah so our next a probable

1186
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:45,550
guest would be mr. or dr. again doctor

1187
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:47,410
we've got we're lucky we've gotten a lot

1188
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:48,970
of you know what always gets me to

1189
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:51,730
people like scoff at the paranormal or

1190
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:54,610
stuff that's outside the normal range of

1191
00:56:00,900 --> 00:55:57,250
things and the for example dr. Byrne is

1192
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:00,910
obviously extraordinarily well educated

1193
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:04,110
brilliant a tune everything person and

1194
00:56:09,590 --> 00:56:06,910
you know people would say thought a

1195
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:09,600
horse whisperer yeah sure and yet i

1196
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:12,070
absolutely believe her I mean there's no

1197
00:56:17,550 --> 00:56:15,310
reason not to and um but of all the

1198
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:17,560
guests that we have on so many are so

1199
00:56:24,540 --> 00:56:20,760
extraordinarily would well educated yes

1200
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:24,550
well educate and as have most of our

1201
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:27,910
guests we've had a predominance of PhDs

1202
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:32,530
well our next guest should he continue

1203
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:35,470
to be interested in talking to us will

1204
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:39,420
be dr. Bernard belt men who is a

1205
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:41,650
psychiatrist and who has written a book

1206
00:56:48,030 --> 00:56:45,430
about coincidence and synchronicity

1207
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:48,040
mm-hmm so we're really looking forward

1208
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:51,970
to that and we we hope that he will be

1209
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:54,010
able to make our schedule and be our

1210
00:57:00,570 --> 00:56:57,130
next guest and so with that shall we bid

1211
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:00,580
the group a fond farewell nay okay and